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	<title>How Would You Make Disenchants Available To All? (40 Comments)Comments on: </title>
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		<title>By: phrenzy</title>
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		<dc:creator>phrenzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t like the idea of anyone getting enchanting mats from unwanted BoP items... here&#039;s why...

To date I&#039;ve leveled three enchanters to max skill.  Very expensive process.  The old way of selling enchants in trade was inefficient and never made much gold in the process.  I have resorted to doing all enchants for friends, family, and guildies for free.  I have found the only way to reliably make some gold with this profession is to sell enchanting mats.  However, I&#039;d guess that I am nowhere even close to covering the cost of leveling even one toon to 450.

Now if everyone can get enchanting mats from unwanted gear the result will be a huge supply of these mats which will cause the price to drop on the AH.  Players with two other professions can now make gold with Herb, mining, and disenchanting?  Supply will go crazy and demand will drop.  Very few will buy mats since everyone will have their own stash that they create.

For the idea that items will be DE&#039;d during the roll process.... I&#039;m sure Blizzard will be very excited to deal with all the noobs that open tickets like &quot;I hit the wrong button, now my Uber Sword of Geekness is a shard!  Can you undo this???&quot;

Rolling on shards at end of a raid.... yet we&#039;ve been doing this since 1.0.  Is it fair to the enchanter? No.  Is it overly fair to non-enchanters? Yes.  I don&#039;t ask to roll on skins, herbs, or mined materials.... why not?!  This is a game, and as such things like this should be &quot;fair&quot;.... from now on, I won&#039;t give my shards away.

Oh btw, if you need any infinite dust I have tons of it on the AH.... and thanks again for helping me buy 3 mammoths.   Booooyah!!!

Phrenzy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like the idea of anyone getting enchanting mats from unwanted BoP items&#8230; here&#8217;s why&#8230;</p>
<p>To date I&#8217;ve leveled three enchanters to max skill.  Very expensive process.  The old way of selling enchants in trade was inefficient and never made much gold in the process.  I have resorted to doing all enchants for friends, family, and guildies for free.  I have found the only way to reliably make some gold with this profession is to sell enchanting mats.  However, I&#8217;d guess that I am nowhere even close to covering the cost of leveling even one toon to 450.</p>
<p>Now if everyone can get enchanting mats from unwanted gear the result will be a huge supply of these mats which will cause the price to drop on the AH.  Players with two other professions can now make gold with Herb, mining, and disenchanting?  Supply will go crazy and demand will drop.  Very few will buy mats since everyone will have their own stash that they create.</p>
<p>For the idea that items will be DE&#8217;d during the roll process&#8230;. I&#8217;m sure Blizzard will be very excited to deal with all the noobs that open tickets like &#8220;I hit the wrong button, now my Uber Sword of Geekness is a shard!  Can you undo this???&#8221;</p>
<p>Rolling on shards at end of a raid&#8230;. yet we&#8217;ve been doing this since 1.0.  Is it fair to the enchanter? No.  Is it overly fair to non-enchanters? Yes.  I don&#8217;t ask to roll on skins, herbs, or mined materials&#8230;. why not?!  This is a game, and as such things like this should be &#8220;fair&#8221;&#8230;. from now on, I won&#8217;t give my shards away.</p>
<p>Oh btw, if you need any infinite dust I have tons of it on the AH&#8230;. and thanks again for helping me buy 3 mammoths.   Booooyah!!!</p>
<p>Phrenzy</p>
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		<title>By: Gilten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gilten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is how I would make disenchants available to all: Everyone take up enchanting.

Don&#039;t have enchanting?  Tough.  Take all the money you made from Mining/Skinning and spend it on enchanting mats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is how I would make disenchants available to all: Everyone take up enchanting.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t have enchanting?  Tough.  Take all the money you made from Mining/Skinning and spend it on enchanting mats.</p>
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		<title>By: lieslast4ever</title>
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		<dc:creator>lieslast4ever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 04:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know its too late for the pet but i had to comment on this. As an enchanter I would feel as if I was being given the shaft by blizzard if they just gave out a skill I worked hard on and passed it out to everyone. It would also hurt me because being that I am a big pugger, I very often announce myself as an enchanter in hope that gives me an edge over the tons of other dps trying to pug too (and it often does).

If people can disenchant with their cooking, i want to be able to skin and mine with my Enchanting skill. How? I&#039;m freaking magic. I&#039;m sure i can figure it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know its too late for the pet but i had to comment on this. As an enchanter I would feel as if I was being given the shaft by blizzard if they just gave out a skill I worked hard on and passed it out to everyone. It would also hurt me because being that I am a big pugger, I very often announce myself as an enchanter in hope that gives me an edge over the tons of other dps trying to pug too (and it often does).</p>
<p>If people can disenchant with their cooking, i want to be able to skin and mine with my Enchanting skill. How? I&#8217;m freaking magic. I&#8217;m sure i can figure it out.</p>
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		<title>By: MacAngus</title>
		<link>http://theinstance.net/2009/10/how-would-you-make-disenchants-available-to-all/comment-page-1/#comment-2282</link>
		<dc:creator>MacAngus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The key is figuring a way to allow groups without an Enchanter the flexibility of disenchanting unwanted items while not taking away from the usefulness and profitability of Enchanting.  Why not add another oil to the repertoire of Enchanters. A disenchanting oil can scale by power similar to the various wizard oils.  Like the current oils, there could be a limited number of charges per batch.

I would have the ability to disenchant stuff and the Enchanters of the world would have a consumable product that they could sell.  Heck, Blizz might even be able to boost the profitability of other professions depending on the ingredients needed to create the oils.

Wohoo, bring on the Grunty!!!  ... come to think of it, I need to go take a grunty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key is figuring a way to allow groups without an Enchanter the flexibility of disenchanting unwanted items while not taking away from the usefulness and profitability of Enchanting.  Why not add another oil to the repertoire of Enchanters. A disenchanting oil can scale by power similar to the various wizard oils.  Like the current oils, there could be a limited number of charges per batch.</p>
<p>I would have the ability to disenchant stuff and the Enchanters of the world would have a consumable product that they could sell.  Heck, Blizz might even be able to boost the profitability of other professions depending on the ingredients needed to create the oils.</p>
<p>Wohoo, bring on the Grunty!!!  &#8230; come to think of it, I need to go take a grunty.</p>
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		<title>By: bunjow</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunjow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I favor the idea of using the trade window that silgnon &amp; Giltzen mentioned. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s an easy thing to integrate into the program a filter that might identify something like bound item as &quot;Not Valid&quot; for disenchants.

Without a filter in trade window, the potential to sabotage from competing class is also pretty big as I don&#039;t want to risk asking for an enchant and suddenly have disenchanted dust and &quot;sucker&quot; painted on my face.

I say Blizzard should create an NPC like they did with Usuri Brightcoin (money changer in the Dalaran Sewers), who will simply disenchant stuff for anyone.  They can add a surcharge based on ilevel or something that&#039;s a variation of same mechanic that prevents Enchanters from DE&#039;ing anything higher level then their skill will allow..to help keep goblin-greed in line with Ururi&#039;s.

That&#039;s my $.02</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I favor the idea of using the trade window that silgnon &amp; Giltzen mentioned. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s an easy thing to integrate into the program a filter that might identify something like bound item as &#8220;Not Valid&#8221; for disenchants.</p>
<p>Without a filter in trade window, the potential to sabotage from competing class is also pretty big as I don&#8217;t want to risk asking for an enchant and suddenly have disenchanted dust and &#8220;sucker&#8221; painted on my face.</p>
<p>I say Blizzard should create an NPC like they did with Usuri Brightcoin (money changer in the Dalaran Sewers), who will simply disenchant stuff for anyone.  They can add a surcharge based on ilevel or something that&#8217;s a variation of same mechanic that prevents Enchanters from DE&#8217;ing anything higher level then their skill will allow..to help keep goblin-greed in line with Ururi&#8217;s.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my $.02</p>
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		<title>By: Inkblot</title>
		<link>http://theinstance.net/2009/10/how-would-you-make-disenchants-available-to-all/comment-page-1/#comment-2280</link>
		<dc:creator>Inkblot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an enchanter I need to say that if were going to give everyone the disenchant skill why shouldn&#039;t we give everyone mining, herbalism, skining ect. I see the point that people have wasted loot however, I waste herbs/ore ect. everytime I pass a node that I can&#039;t use. Disenchanting is for disenchanters if we are going to put a disenchant button on the roll command then it should be for group containing enchanters at the very least. It may be a thankless job in groups but through levels 1-80 disenchanting items is a great way to make gold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an enchanter I need to say that if were going to give everyone the disenchant skill why shouldn&#8217;t we give everyone mining, herbalism, skining ect. I see the point that people have wasted loot however, I waste herbs/ore ect. everytime I pass a node that I can&#8217;t use. Disenchanting is for disenchanters if we are going to put a disenchant button on the roll command then it should be for group containing enchanters at the very least. It may be a thankless job in groups but through levels 1-80 disenchanting items is a great way to make gold.</p>
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		<title>By: mistabernie</title>
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		<dc:creator>mistabernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason enchanters usually the shards they get off of a boss drop is because that is usually something you can not do solo.  Enchanters dont have to share mats from the BoEs that they loot and break.

Also, it comes down to a value perspective; yeah, skinners dont offer up the Arctic Furs they get when they are skinning in an instance, but that&#039;s usually because 90% of the time, they dont get any;  if it were a situation where if you skin/mine/herb a boss and it always gave you something like an arctic fur or titanium bars or frost lotuses 100% of the time, then I&#039;d think that those professions might be expected to kick in, but it&#039;s hardly the case.

Besides, in my recent experience, after a party leader declares that they can DE, people are starting to ignore that and just greed stuff anyway, regardless of whether or not they can use or DE it.  It makes me wonder if these other characters can DE but dont tell the party this and just greed regardless to break later without needing to share with the party.

Also, if you Need for your main spec and Greed for your off spec(s), then no change is currently needed if you&#039;re not going to change the DEing.  There should be a distinction between needing something for your main set and all else, but beyond that, Player A greeding to sell a BoE versus Player B greeding for one of their offsets seems perfectly weighted; yeah, Player A may never actually equip the item, but if Player B doesn&#039;t need it for your main spec, then what makes that off spec more important than Player A wanting to support their current gear set by buying new gems/enchants with the money from selling something that they dont necessarily need for their main spec?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason enchanters usually the shards they get off of a boss drop is because that is usually something you can not do solo.  Enchanters dont have to share mats from the BoEs that they loot and break.</p>
<p>Also, it comes down to a value perspective; yeah, skinners dont offer up the Arctic Furs they get when they are skinning in an instance, but that&#8217;s usually because 90% of the time, they dont get any;  if it were a situation where if you skin/mine/herb a boss and it always gave you something like an arctic fur or titanium bars or frost lotuses 100% of the time, then I&#8217;d think that those professions might be expected to kick in, but it&#8217;s hardly the case.</p>
<p>Besides, in my recent experience, after a party leader declares that they can DE, people are starting to ignore that and just greed stuff anyway, regardless of whether or not they can use or DE it.  It makes me wonder if these other characters can DE but dont tell the party this and just greed regardless to break later without needing to share with the party.</p>
<p>Also, if you Need for your main spec and Greed for your off spec(s), then no change is currently needed if you&#8217;re not going to change the DEing.  There should be a distinction between needing something for your main set and all else, but beyond that, Player A greeding to sell a BoE versus Player B greeding for one of their offsets seems perfectly weighted; yeah, Player A may never actually equip the item, but if Player B doesn&#8217;t need it for your main spec, then what makes that off spec more important than Player A wanting to support their current gear set by buying new gems/enchants with the money from selling something that they dont necessarily need for their main spec?</p>
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		<title>By: Beanpaste</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beanpaste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They need the following loot buttons -

NEED
OFFSPEC NEED
GREED

Allowing everybody to shard is a way devalues those with the enchanting profession.  I remember many podcasts ago there was a discussion about why everyone assumes that Enchanters have to share what they shard off of boss drops.

Whenever there is a mining or herb node in an Instance, I have never seen people roll, then make the miner mine and then distribute the ore to the highest roller.  No, the miner mines and keeps the ore for himself.

That&#039;s my two cents</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They need the following loot buttons -</p>
<p>NEED<br />
OFFSPEC NEED<br />
GREED</p>
<p>Allowing everybody to shard is a way devalues those with the enchanting profession.  I remember many podcasts ago there was a discussion about why everyone assumes that Enchanters have to share what they shard off of boss drops.</p>
<p>Whenever there is a mining or herb node in an Instance, I have never seen people roll, then make the miner mine and then distribute the ore to the highest roller.  No, the miner mines and keeps the ore for himself.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my two cents</p>
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		<title>By: iserguy</title>
		<link>http://theinstance.net/2009/10/how-would-you-make-disenchants-available-to-all/comment-page-1/#comment-2277</link>
		<dc:creator>iserguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I kinda like the idea of just having it disenchant strait from the looting interface, if everyone passes then it automatically disenchants the item and rolls to see who gets the item.  Set the looting to a special way to do this so that groups who want to do it the old way still can.  Not sure if Blizzard would actually do that much automated, but I think they&#039;ll at least have a way for enchanters to hit a certain button when looting to show they are rolling on it to disenchant for the group...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kinda like the idea of just having it disenchant strait from the looting interface, if everyone passes then it automatically disenchants the item and rolls to see who gets the item.  Set the looting to a special way to do this so that groups who want to do it the old way still can.  Not sure if Blizzard would actually do that much automated, but I think they&#8217;ll at least have a way for enchanters to hit a certain button when looting to show they are rolling on it to disenchant for the group&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Meleroth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meleroth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think using another profession is a good idea.  Alchemy comes to mind where the alchemist would create a DE potion with the help of an enchanter.  The potion would be usable by anyone.  Some created item enchanters would only be able to make with varying mat requirements similar to the inscription vellums, though nothing to extraordinary as not to negate the cost/benefit.

Randy&#039;s idea of cooking is good.  Perhaps using some cloth created item from tailoring and enchanted to &#039;cook&#039; with the item in a pot would produce the DE.

Regardless of the method, I think enchanters need to be included somehow.  Enchanters have something special in the game that would be taken away by including a DE button on a loot screen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think using another profession is a good idea.  Alchemy comes to mind where the alchemist would create a DE potion with the help of an enchanter.  The potion would be usable by anyone.  Some created item enchanters would only be able to make with varying mat requirements similar to the inscription vellums, though nothing to extraordinary as not to negate the cost/benefit.</p>
<p>Randy&#8217;s idea of cooking is good.  Perhaps using some cloth created item from tailoring and enchanted to &#8216;cook&#8217; with the item in a pot would produce the DE.</p>
<p>Regardless of the method, I think enchanters need to be included somehow.  Enchanters have something special in the game that would be taken away by including a DE button on a loot screen.</p>
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